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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by Kazniti » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:43 am

Forlorn333 wrote:This is not a copied track. Look at all the elements I have in it the lolz does not. I have a canyon, and thawing river, and fence building up in snow, snow falling, darker detailed trees, new trees that i've not seen anyone do. Im sick of all the little fucks that say it's copied. It truly pisses me off. Ive drawn like this all my life. I love nature. I've tried drawing other styles, but they turn out like crap. Example, my 300k preview. I wish people would stop accusing me of copying. If lolz never existed, I probably would still draw exactly like this. Ive altered many of my tracks so they do NOT resemble lolz, and I still get bitched about it. I wish people could recognize my true talent, but you are all too masked in how my tracks are realistic like lolz666's.

People copy all the time. I do not. Kaz, I certainly do not have one of lolz666's tracks open while i make my own. That is preposterous and I would admit to it if I did do it. That would be copying. Everything that comes from my head, or from photographs I take, I put down into my tracks. Look at the billions of people that copy elmo21. He came up with a fairly realistic smooth style, as well as ITz ChuckNorris. 70% of people on Trackmill copy elmo. But since he is not the bes trackmaker ever, no one cares. Look at south's tracks, and how they are similar to the dark detail of stig. They are different in their own ways, small differences that shine through the tracks that show south is not copying stig. But just because my detail is like lolz666's, the best trackmaker ever, everyone is to focused on that to see the real track and my style underneath.


Wow. Just wow, I've really lost alot of respect for you recently. Firstly, I can ASSURE you your tracks would look completely different if it weren't for lolz.
Secondly, to things like what tfm said, when he said "I was the first to draw smooth lines". Art isn't as black and white as that (cute little pun there for yaz), making a smooth track because tfm made a smooth track, is completely different from taking someone elses creative, imaginative, and I stress here, UNREALISTIC and talented creations and drawing the same thing, then calling it completely your own, is not a decent thing to do.

Lolz doesn't even draw realistic. Like seriously, the clouds, the mountains, the tree's in the background, they look nothing like real life. He has drawn them creatively to fit into canvas riders fake space and dimensions, and to just how an imagined world in his head looks. And drawing the same track as lolz, and adding a fence and a couple other things doesn't mean you haven't copied.

Let me put it into a metaphor. It doesn't quite fit perfectly, but it's the same concept. What you have done, is like an artist making a cover of a song. You've taken the structure and the notes and the chords, and you've simply added your own couple parts and changes, in a different timbre'. That, in effect, is what you have done. You have taken lolz's structure for his perspective, tree's and rocks, and added your own things and done a cover of his track in your way.

Your tracks change in the same way lolz's do from track to track. No, it's not getting closer to reality, it's mimicking his most recent track, for example the mountains. Look at how lolz's mountains change from the secret valley, to chillwind. Then look at how your mountains change, from your last track to this one. And yes, your tree's aren't exactly the same as lolz's. They are have different branch angles.

Look at the tree's in your background, and look at lolz's. They don't look anything like real life trees, the STRUCTURE of the world isn't even relatively close to the real one.

So no, you can't claim that because you are so good at drawing, that your work looks exactly like the best there is, because the best there is is just as close to real as possible. Because lolz doesn't even draw realistic.

There is more than one style of drawing, there are unlimited. Saying that my logic suggests that all musicians are just copiers of Beethoven and Mozart, and ultimately Bach, because they use the same time signature and key signature, is just ridiculous. And music is much more limited than art is.
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by lolz666 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:07 am

Social wrote:+ Detail, Ride

The detail on this is great, I don't think 99% of all authors could match that, even with some quality reference pictures. The ride is also very good

- Originality, Spotty Places

There's no denying you've taken some elements from Lolz, yet I wouldn't go as far to say that you've copied his style, there's obvious influence there. Next, it seems that in some places, you got bored with what you were doing and left the area almost blank, filling up those minor holes is a major improvement. The fence is also out of scales, and the rocks at the end look overdone.

= You're at a really good spot detail wise right now. You have so much potential. Keep working at building a completely original style and you'll be the next Lolz666.

Keep in mind that I'm not going anywhere just yet. :s_wink I'm making a new and even more epic track than my others as we speak. I really like the forlorn's track mostly but it also has its own issues with the entertainment on riding. Similar to my recent track. the jumps are tiny and the ground is almost flat. I'm trying to fix that now oh yeah and a lot bigger trees than before :s_biggrin .
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by Vommel018 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:55 pm

Just because a track looks like someone else's doesn't mean they copied it.
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by pkbelg » Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:31 pm

true ^
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by Freaker » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:52 pm

Okay I think that I have received answers to my question lol :s_thumbsup
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by 12345ccr » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:08 pm

Kazniti wrote:
Forlorn333 wrote:This is not a copied track. Look at all the elements I have in it the lolz does not. I have a canyon, and thawing river, and fence building up in snow, snow falling, darker detailed trees, new trees that i've not seen anyone do. Im sick of all the little fucks that say it's copied. It truly pisses me off. Ive drawn like this all my life. I love nature. I've tried drawing other styles, but they turn out like crap. Example, my 300k preview. I wish people would stop accusing me of copying. If lolz never existed, I probably would still draw exactly like this. Ive altered many of my tracks so they do NOT resemble lolz, and I still get bitched about it. I wish people could recognize my true talent, but you are all too masked in how my tracks are realistic like lolz666's.

People copy all the time. I do not. Kaz, I certainly do not have one of lolz666's tracks open while i make my own. That is preposterous and I would admit to it if I did do it. That would be copying. Everything that comes from my head, or from photographs I take, I put down into my tracks. Look at the billions of people that copy elmo21. He came up with a fairly realistic smooth style, as well as ITz ChuckNorris. 70% of people on Trackmill copy elmo. But since he is not the bes trackmaker ever, no one cares. Look at south's tracks, and how they are similar to the dark detail of stig. They are different in their own ways, small differences that shine through the tracks that show south is not copying stig. But just because my detail is like lolz666's, the best trackmaker ever, everyone is to focused on that to see the real track and my style underneath.


Wow. Just wow, I've really lost alot of respect for you recently. Firstly, I can ASSURE you your tracks would look completely different if it weren't for lolz.
Secondly, to things like what tfm said, when he said "I was the first to draw smooth lines". Art isn't as black and white as that (cute little pun there for yaz), making a smooth track because tfm made a smooth track, is completely different from taking someone elses creative, imaginative, and I stress here, UNREALISTIC and talented creations and drawing the same thing, then calling it completely your own, is not a decent thing to do.

Lolz doesn't even draw realistic. Like seriously, the clouds, the mountains, the tree's in the background, they look nothing like real life. He has drawn them creatively to fit into canvas riders fake space and dimensions, and to just how an imagined world in his head looks. And drawing the same track as lolz, and adding a fence and a couple other things doesn't mean you haven't copied.

Let me put it into a metaphor. It doesn't quite fit perfectly, but it's the same concept. What you have done, is like an artist making a cover of a song. You've taken the structure and the notes and the chords, and you've simply added your own couple parts and changes, in a different timbre'. That, in effect, is what you have done. You have taken lolz's structure for his perspective, tree's and rocks, and added your own things and done a cover of his track in your way.

Your tracks change in the same way lolz's do from track to track. No, it's not getting closer to reality, it's mimicking his most recent track, for example the mountains. Look at how lolz's mountains change from the secret valley, to chillwind. Then look at how your mountains change, from your last track to this one. And yes, your tree's aren't exactly the same as lolz's. They are have different branch angles.

Look at the tree's in your background, and look at lolz's. They don't look anything like real life trees, the STRUCTURE of the world isn't even relatively close to the real one.

So no, you can't claim that because you are so good at drawing, that your work looks exactly like the best there is, because the best there is is just as close to real as possible. Because lolz doesn't even draw realistic.

There is more than one style of drawing, there are unlimited. Saying that my logic suggests that all musicians are just copiers of Beethoven and Mozart, and ultimately Bach, because they use the same time signature and key signature, is just ridiculous. And music is much more limited than art is.


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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by My name is » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:53 pm

Kyocera wrote:
Vommel018 wrote:Just because a track looks like someone else's doesn't mean they copied it.

why bump this?
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by THE PENGUINs » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:04 pm

First of all kaz:

Stop fucking saying the trees don't look real, they do. Every single freaking tree is different, especially them Finnish trees, so just about any texturizes tree can and is realistic.
2nd, some music covers are better, more drastic, have more enthusiasm and have more of a purpose than the originals.
You should look at her real life sketches, there you can see it comes naturally instead of a synthesized double.

Yeah, I know this thread is dead, just felt like adding my opinion.
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by herp derp2 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:05 pm

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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by IamRider » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:51 pm

to me, it's like lolz created a new genre of music, then forlorn made her own music in this genre. not copying, just the same genre like metal or rock, and lolz just invented dubstep which represents this style.
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by LoL » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:46 pm

Kazniti wrote:Yeah, it's heavily copied from lolz, unfortunately :/
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by leboulanger » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:44 pm

This is not freaking copied?! Forlorn333 has her own style and LOLZ666 his own too.

Maybe there are resemblances at someplace but when you compare, it's completely another style. An amazing style.
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by IamRider » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:01 pm

leboulanger wrote:This is not freaking copied?! Forlorn333 has her own style and LOLZ666 his own too.

Maybe there are resemblances at someplace but when you compare, it's completely another style. An amazing style.
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Re: SSCE by forlorn333 Copy or not!

PostPosted by leboulanger » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:03 pm

IamRider wrote:
leboulanger wrote:This is not freaking copied?! Forlorn333 has her own style and LOLZ666 his own too.

Maybe there are resemblances at someplace but when you compare, it's completely another style. An amazing style.


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